Comments on: Win ‘Em, Wring ‘Em, and Wean ‘Em http://blogs.gartner.com/toby_bell/2009/05/07/win-em-wring-em-and-wean-em/ A member of the Gartner Blog Network Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:04:49 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: J. Boye » Blog Archive » Open Text buys Vignette - What it means to customers http://blogs.gartner.com/toby_bell/2009/05/07/win-em-wring-em-and-wean-em/comment-page-1/#comment-1328 J. Boye » Blog Archive » Open Text buys Vignette - What it means to customers Fri, 22 May 2009 08:36:26 +0000 http://blogs.gartner.com/toby_bell/?p=253#comment-1328 [...] Gartner: Win ‘Em, Wring ‘Em, and Wean ‘Em [...] [...] Gartner: Win ‘Em, Wring ‘Em, and Wean ‘Em [...]

]]> By: Will Vignette Give Open Text Food Poisoning? | Jon On Tech http://blogs.gartner.com/toby_bell/2009/05/07/win-em-wring-em-and-wean-em/comment-page-1/#comment-1325 Will Vignette Give Open Text Food Poisoning? | Jon On Tech Sun, 10 May 2009 21:18:45 +0000 http://blogs.gartner.com/toby_bell/?p=253#comment-1325 [...] is summerised nicely by Gartner’s Toby Bell in his article Win ‘Em, Wring ‘Em, and Wean ‘Em. He also adds an important insight about the timing of Open Text’s move: Open Text seems to [...] [...] is summerised nicely by Gartner’s Toby Bell in his article Win ‘Em, Wring ‘Em, and Wean ‘Em. He also adds an important insight about the timing of Open Text’s move: Open Text seems to [...]

]]> By: Toby Bell http://blogs.gartner.com/toby_bell/2009/05/07/win-em-wring-em-and-wean-em/comment-page-1/#comment-1324 Toby Bell Fri, 08 May 2009 12:51:58 +0000 http://blogs.gartner.com/toby_bell/?p=253#comment-1324 Thanks, Jon. I appreciate the comments and agree that the records management rationale seemed doubtful. Even as you and I speculate here, the Gartner formal First Take process is underway, so expect more on this. Meanwhile, I haven't heard anyone telling Vignette customers to run; nor have I heard of any suggestions that OTEX was wrong to buy. So - in 'net it out' terms, it's effectively a win/win. Thanks, Jon. I appreciate the comments and agree that the records management rationale seemed doubtful. Even as you and I speculate here, the Gartner formal First Take process is underway, so expect more on this. Meanwhile, I haven’t heard anyone telling Vignette customers to run; nor have I heard of any suggestions that OTEX was wrong to buy. So – in ‘net it out’ terms, it’s effectively a win/win.

]]> By: Jon Marks http://blogs.gartner.com/toby_bell/2009/05/07/win-em-wring-em-and-wean-em/comment-page-1/#comment-1323 Jon Marks Fri, 08 May 2009 09:15:44 +0000 http://blogs.gartner.com/toby_bell/?p=253#comment-1323 Well, I certainly agree that there are no short term plans to merge or replace any products. That is going to take years, if it ever happens. OTEX have bought VIGN for strategic reasons and customers, not for technology. I can't see VIGN customers migrating to OTEX products in a hurry, and do see many areas for cross-sell and up-sell. The product stacks really do overlap so much. According to CMS Wire, "Shackleton also indicated that Vignette's records management expertise and their analytics capabilities had caught Open Text's eye." This makes no sense to me - sounds like someone making up a technical reason for the aquisition. Vignette has no analytics capabilities of their own. And Open Text historically has stronger Records Management than Open Text. If anyone can correct me on this, please do. Open Text do not have a Portal at all, so VAP is one product that they could flog to existing customers. And Vignette'e VCM is a more "enterprise" Content Management System then The Product Formally Known As RedDot, so maybe they can shift some of those too. My thoughts on the whole affair here: <a href="http://jonontech.com/2009/05/06/omg-open-text-buy-grandpa-vignette/" rel="nofollow">Open Text buy Grandpa Vignette</a> Well,

I certainly agree that there are no short term plans to merge or replace any products. That is going to take years, if it ever happens. OTEX have bought VIGN for strategic reasons and customers, not for technology. I can’t see VIGN customers migrating to OTEX products in a hurry, and do see many areas for cross-sell and up-sell. The product stacks really do overlap so much.

According to CMS Wire, “Shackleton also indicated that Vignette’s records management expertise and their analytics capabilities had caught Open Text’s eye.” This makes no sense to me – sounds like someone making up a technical reason for the aquisition. Vignette has no analytics capabilities of their own. And Open Text historically has stronger Records Management than Open Text. If anyone can correct me on this, please do.

Open Text do not have a Portal at all, so VAP is one product that they could flog to existing customers. And Vignette’e VCM is a more “enterprise” Content Management System then The Product Formally Known As RedDot, so maybe they can shift some of those too.

My thoughts on the whole affair here:
Open Text buy Grandpa Vignette

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