Comments on: Talk of Clouds (and Virtualization) in Orlando http://blogs.gartner.com/thomas_bittman/2009/10/22/talk-of-clouds-and-virtualization-in-orlando/ A member of the Gartner Blog Network Sat, 04 Feb 2012 14:44:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Tom Bittman http://blogs.gartner.com/thomas_bittman/2009/10/22/talk-of-clouds-and-virtualization-in-orlando/comment-page-1/#comment-422 Tom Bittman Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:31:39 +0000 http://blogs.gartner.com/thomas_bittman/2009/10/22/talk-of-clouds-and-virtualization-in-orlando/#comment-422 I stepped too far here. I don't mean to imply that every private cloud service will eventually find a home in a public cloud service. What I really am trying to say that private cloud services should be designed with potential migration in mind. If a cloud service comes along at the right price, security, service levels, you want the option to migrate there. The reason I focus on this so much is I worry about organizations building very proprietary private cloud services that lock them into an architecture and give them fewer choices in the future - for migration or hybrid modes. On the other hand, I am sure there will be services that will never have a business case in public clouds (at least, meeting the SLA and security needs of all users) - so some private clouds will live on. Tom I stepped too far here. I don’t mean to imply that every private cloud service will eventually find a home in a public cloud service. What I really am trying to say that private cloud services should be designed with potential migration in mind. If a cloud service comes along at the right price, security, service levels, you want the option to migrate there. The reason I focus on this so much is I worry about organizations building very proprietary private cloud services that lock them into an architecture and give them fewer choices in the future – for migration or hybrid modes.

On the other hand, I am sure there will be services that will never have a business case in public clouds (at least, meeting the SLA and security needs of all users) – so some private clouds will live on.

Tom

]]> By: David Brandt http://blogs.gartner.com/thomas_bittman/2009/10/22/talk-of-clouds-and-virtualization-in-orlando/comment-page-1/#comment-421 David Brandt Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:11:10 +0000 http://blogs.gartner.com/thomas_bittman/2009/10/22/talk-of-clouds-and-virtualization-in-orlando/#comment-421 Didn't make it to Symposium this year, so thanks for sharing the quick perspective Tom. Most readers and customers seem fairly saavy at cutting through the ball of (cloud) confusion once the conversations turn to applying the underlying IT to their business objectives -- whatever the wrapper is called. Definitely no expert here (@DavidATDell), but still not sold on an either/or scenario for private or public clouds. Seems resonable, or at least realistic, that there are some environments better served inside a private cloud. Barton's blog http://bit.ly/3YLti1 took the issue up further. Other cloud conversations going on http://bit.ly/13UOVy. Didn’t make it to Symposium this year, so thanks for sharing the quick perspective Tom. Most readers and customers seem fairly saavy at cutting through the ball of (cloud) confusion once the conversations turn to applying the underlying IT to their business objectives — whatever the wrapper is called. Definitely no expert here (@DavidATDell), but still not sold on an either/or scenario for private or public clouds. Seems resonable, or at least realistic, that there are some environments better served inside a private cloud. Barton’s blog http://bit.ly/3YLti1 took the issue up further. Other cloud conversations going on http://bit.ly/13UOVy.

]]> By: Inside Enterprise IT - Inside Enterprise IT - DELL COMMUNITY http://blogs.gartner.com/thomas_bittman/2009/10/22/talk-of-clouds-and-virtualization-in-orlando/comment-page-1/#comment-418 Inside Enterprise IT - Inside Enterprise IT - DELL COMMUNITY Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:39:27 +0000 http://blogs.gartner.com/thomas_bittman/2009/10/22/talk-of-clouds-and-virtualization-in-orlando/#comment-418 [...] Gartner distinguished analyst Tom Bittman, who covers cloud computing and virtualization,  posted some thoughts and observations from the Gartner Symposium in [...] [...] Gartner distinguished analyst Tom Bittman, who covers cloud computing and virtualization,  posted some thoughts and observations from the Gartner Symposium in [...]

]]> By: Phil Morris http://blogs.gartner.com/thomas_bittman/2009/10/22/talk-of-clouds-and-virtualization-in-orlando/comment-page-1/#comment-405 Phil Morris Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:14:02 +0000 http://blogs.gartner.com/thomas_bittman/2009/10/22/talk-of-clouds-and-virtualization-in-orlando/#comment-405 Your last paragraph has me wondering what's your vantage on all this? \The challenge with private cloud computing, of course, is to dispel the vendor hype and the IT protectionism that is hiding there\ Excellent point! However, you then move on to say: \and to ensure the concept is being used in the right way – as a stepping-stone to public cloud, based on a timing window, the lack of a mature public cloud alternative and a good business case to invest internally.\ Where is it written that pure public cloud is the \right way\??? I certainly agree that more and more can be moved to the public cloud, but at best it will only become an 80% solution where the other 20% is too sensitive, too critical, too big (think of a DBMS on an IBM P595 or Sun M9000), too old (think of the number of apps out there still running business/mission critical but are stuck on Solaris 2.5.1 or HP-UX 9 or whatever), etc to move to the cloud. By the time all of those types of things get fixed, we'll be well into a new way of doing ICT business ;-) Your last paragraph has me wondering what’s your vantage on all this?

\The challenge with private cloud computing, of course, is to dispel the vendor hype and the IT protectionism that is hiding there\

Excellent point! However, you then move on to say:

\and to ensure the concept is being used in the right way – as a stepping-stone to public cloud, based on a timing window, the lack of a mature public cloud alternative and a good business case to invest internally.\

Where is it written that pure public cloud is the \right way\??? I certainly agree that more and more can be moved to the public cloud, but at best it will only become an 80% solution where the other 20% is too sensitive, too critical, too big (think of a DBMS on an IBM P595 or Sun M9000), too old (think of the number of apps out there still running business/mission critical but are stuck on Solaris 2.5.1 or HP-UX 9 or whatever), etc to move to the cloud.

By the time all of those types of things get fixed, we’ll be well into a new way of doing ICT business ;-)

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