John Pescatore

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• 1 Nick Gall // Nov 6, 2008 at 7:18 pm

  John, Nice slide. But things weren’t quite O&H before 1985. Here’s a good list of hacks/cracks going back to 1961: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/7378/hacker.htm !

  I guess there’s no free lunch: the more people who have access to interfaces with more “surface area”, the more hacks/cracks there will be. Look how little surface area an old POTS phone offers, yet Cap’n Crunch found a way to hack it.

• 2 John Pescatore // Nov 6, 2008 at 8:54 pm

  I worked at GTE for 11 years - the telephone system actually had huge surface area. The major, major failing was using in-band signaling and depending on “security through obscurity” - assuming no one would figure what in band signaling tones were used just because they were being filtered out, or assuming that because a dial-in modem number was not published that no one would find it.

  That’s why most of those hacks before the PC and the Internet were telephone system hacks - the attack surface was huge and the security was almost non existent. Sorta like Windows when it first came out…

• 3 Nick Gall // Nov 6, 2008 at 10:15 pm

  I guess it depends on how one defines “surface area”. With the old phone system you couldn’t inject code. With today’s web pages that SOP. Code injection, whether javascript or exe malware is HUGE surface area compared to signaling tones.

• 4 John Pescatore // Nov 7, 2008 at 8:48 am

  You most certainly could inject code - signaling tones weren’t the only access point those hacks used. Dial-in modems to PBXs and switching stations were the attack surface - and they were wide open, depending on security through obscurity with unpublished phone numbers and the assumption that no one would know the arcane commands and languages used.

  Now, i will agree that the *bandwidth* of the attack surface was slower, and at least the user devices (phones on the telephone system and dumb terminals on mainframes) weren’t attackable. Today, IP phones and PCs have huge attack surfaces.

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