Comments on: Applications or Processes: Which Comes First, the Chicken or the Egg? http://blogs.gartner.com/jim_sinur/2009/08/19/applications-or-processes-which-comes-first-the-chicken-or-the-egg/ A member of the Gartner Blog Network Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:21:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Avigdor Luttinger http://blogs.gartner.com/jim_sinur/2009/08/19/applications-or-processes-which-comes-first-the-chicken-or-the-egg/comment-page-1/#comment-2046 Avigdor Luttinger Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:44:24 +0000 http://blogs.gartner.com/jim_sinur/2009/08/19/applications-or-processes-which-comes-first-the-chicken-or-the-egg/#comment-2046 The symbyosis of Applications and Processes is in my view a natural state - as usual, the issue is prompted more due to technology limitations than to the core functionality. A year ago, BPM vendor W4 acquired Lyria, who had a Model Driven Application Development tool, in order to enrich their BPMS with strong application capabilities. A few ISV's I know embed BPM in their application packages, increasing the dynamic nature of their solutions and simplifying their maintenance. It's certainly the direction of the future. The symbyosis of Applications and Processes is in my view a natural state – as usual, the issue is prompted more due to technology limitations than to the core functionality. A year ago, BPM vendor W4 acquired Lyria, who had a Model Driven Application Development tool, in order to enrich their BPMS with strong application capabilities. A few ISV’s I know embed BPM in their application packages, increasing the dynamic nature of their solutions and simplifying their maintenance. It’s certainly the direction of the future.

]]> By: Djebar Hammouche http://blogs.gartner.com/jim_sinur/2009/08/19/applications-or-processes-which-comes-first-the-chicken-or-the-egg/comment-page-1/#comment-2031 Djebar Hammouche Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:29:13 +0000 http://blogs.gartner.com/jim_sinur/2009/08/19/applications-or-processes-which-comes-first-the-chicken-or-the-egg/#comment-2031 somme comment Pro Applications Processes, issued from Application are the top of iceberg 's enterprise processes. Most enterprise value provider process are in inside this iceberg. From examples, rarely KM processes or Case Managements or decisions process are implemented in applications/IT systems (except theirs results !). Issued from my experiences, Pro applications strategy, which in fact an IT system approach, will finished in most case with an titanic effect. Other approach issued from Business Proccess Professionnals have an risk of balkanization effect. I agrree with you, an good agile method practice is the cooperation between BP profeesionnal and IT system people. From my experience, this elicitation/discovery make each participant an Indiana Jones : extract parcel of truth from legacy applications. One useful hint : when IT system are down, just ask to the businnes team what tasks/activities they do to make theirs works. To resume, sometimes exceptions scenarios context will provide more informations/BP elements than normal scenarios (eg. Business/IT mis-alignment) About UI, i remember this sentence : UI, moeover User experience, is the the only architecture perspective understanding by Businnes People. best reagards somme comment
Pro Applications Processes, issued from Application are the top of iceberg ‘s enterprise processes. Most enterprise value provider process are in inside this iceberg.
From examples, rarely KM processes or Case Managements or decisions process are implemented in applications/IT systems (except theirs results !).
Issued from my experiences, Pro applications strategy, which in fact an IT system approach, will finished in most case with an titanic effect.
Other approach issued from Business Proccess Professionnals have an risk of balkanization effect.
I agrree with you, an good agile method practice is the cooperation between BP profeesionnal and IT system people.
From my experience, this elicitation/discovery make each participant an Indiana Jones : extract parcel of truth from legacy applications. One useful hint : when IT system are down, just ask to the businnes team what tasks/activities they do to make theirs works. To resume, sometimes exceptions scenarios context will provide more informations/BP elements than normal scenarios (eg. Business/IT mis-alignment)

About UI, i remember this sentence : UI, moeover User experience, is the the only architecture perspective understanding by Businnes People.

best reagards

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