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	<title>Comments on: Escaping the Zombie Zoo with Better Customer Facing Processes</title>
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		<title>By: Process Improvement Ideas from the Collective Edge:</title>
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		<dc:creator>Process Improvement Ideas from the Collective Edge:</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://blogs.gartner.com/jim_sinur/2009/08/11/escaping-the-zombie-zoo-with-better-customer-facing-pr.." rel="nofollow">http://blogs.gartner.com/jim_sinur/2009/08/11/escaping-the-zombie-zoo-with-better-customer-facing-pr..</a>. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Iain Henderson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gartner.com/jim_sinur/2009/08/11/escaping-the-zombie-zoo-with-better-customer-facing-processes/comment-page-1/#comment-1882</link>
		<dc:creator>Iain Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve not had any dialogue with your CRM folks so far as i&#039;m aware; to some extent it is a bit early/ that will work better when there are some live deployments to point to?

Iain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve not had any dialogue with your CRM folks so far as i&#8217;m aware; to some extent it is a bit early/ that will work better when there are some live deployments to point to?</p>
<p>Iain</p>
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		<title>By: The Ultimate Alignment &#124; dv8-designs</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gartner.com/jim_sinur/2009/08/11/escaping-the-zombie-zoo-with-better-customer-facing-processes/comment-page-1/#comment-1877</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ultimate Alignment &#124; dv8-designs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jim Sinur</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gartner.com/jim_sinur/2009/08/11/escaping-the-zombie-zoo-with-better-customer-facing-processes/comment-page-1/#comment-1875</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Sinur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the clarification. Is anyone in touch with our CRM folks at Gartner? If so, I will try and ping them to ascertain the progress</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification. Is anyone in touch with our CRM folks at Gartner? If so, I will try and ping them to ascertain the progress</p>
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		<title>By: Iain Henderson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gartner.com/jim_sinur/2009/08/11/escaping-the-zombie-zoo-with-better-customer-facing-processes/comment-page-1/#comment-1874</link>
		<dc:creator>Iain Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jim,

I&#039;m one of Doc&#039;s cohort on Project VRM, and one of the converts from the CRM world. This post might help clarify how VRM and CRM could be expected to complement each other in different ways at different points of the buying/ selling/ relationship management process.

http://informationanswers.com/?p=386

Hope that helps.

Iain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m one of Doc&#8217;s cohort on Project VRM, and one of the converts from the CRM world. This post might help clarify how VRM and CRM could be expected to complement each other in different ways at different points of the buying/ selling/ relationship management process.</p>
<p><a href="http://informationanswers.com/?p=386" rel="nofollow">http://informationanswers.com/?p=386</a></p>
<p>Hope that helps.</p>
<p>Iain</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls Weblog &#183; The Ultimate Alignment</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Searls Weblog &#183; The Ultimate Alignment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jon.

Jim, the answer to your question is both. 

First, think of VRM as a better vendor-facing process for customers. And think of the VRM community as a group of developers working at solving problems from the customer side, rather than the vendor side, which is the way it&#039;s usually done. And that some of the developers working on VRM are vendors.

The VRM community includes a number of development efforts, mostly in the U.S. and the U.K. It is grass-roots to the extent that the base efforts are open source and non-commercial (in order to provide the best possible foundation on which commercial solutions can be built). It is vendor-based to the degree that there are commercial interests building stuff out. 

But it&#039;s still early. For example, in respect to CRM, we need working code on the VRM side before CRM has something to recoprocate and enhance. Some developers in the VRM community are CRM veterans, and are addressing this need directly.

A few links that should help:

http://projectvrm.org

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/2009/04/12/vrm-and-the-four-party-system/

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/2009/05/22/a-declaration-of-customer-independence/

http://blog.joeandrieu.com/2009/04/26/introducing-user-driven-services/

http://www.mediainfluencer.net/2008/02/vrm-one-pager/

Doc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jon.</p>
<p>Jim, the answer to your question is both. </p>
<p>First, think of VRM as a better vendor-facing process for customers. And think of the VRM community as a group of developers working at solving problems from the customer side, rather than the vendor side, which is the way it&#8217;s usually done. And that some of the developers working on VRM are vendors.</p>
<p>The VRM community includes a number of development efforts, mostly in the U.S. and the U.K. It is grass-roots to the extent that the base efforts are open source and non-commercial (in order to provide the best possible foundation on which commercial solutions can be built). It is vendor-based to the degree that there are commercial interests building stuff out. </p>
<p>But it&#8217;s still early. For example, in respect to CRM, we need working code on the VRM side before CRM has something to recoprocate and enhance. Some developers in the VRM community are CRM veterans, and are addressing this need directly.</p>
<p>A few links that should help:</p>
<p><a href="http://projectvrm.org" rel="nofollow">http://projectvrm.org</a></p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/2009/04/12/vrm-and-the-four-party-system/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/2009/04/12/vrm-and-the-four-party-system/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/2009/05/22/a-declaration-of-customer-independence/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/2009/05/22/a-declaration-of-customer-independence/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://blog.joeandrieu.com/2009/04/26/introducing-user-driven-services/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.joeandrieu.com/2009/04/26/introducing-user-driven-services/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.mediainfluencer.net/2008/02/vrm-one-pager/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediainfluencer.net/2008/02/vrm-one-pager/</a></p>
<p>Doc</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Sinur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Sinur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who else is involved with this? Which vendors are supporting this or is it a grass roots movement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who else is involved with this? Which vendors are supporting this or is it a grass roots movement?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Garfunkel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gartner.com/jim_sinur/2009/08/11/escaping-the-zombie-zoo-with-better-customer-facing-processes/comment-page-1/#comment-1863</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Garfunkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim -- this is the theme of Project VRM effort http://projectvrm.org/ , which is being driven by Doc Searls and others. From the introduction: &quot;VRM, or Vendor Relationship Management, is the reciprocal of CRM or Customer Relationship Management. It provides customers with tools for engaging with vendors in ways that work for both parties.&quot;

(Funny, between CXP and VRM, there seems to be a lot of creative thinking based on ill experiences with customer service, be it airlines, phone company, etc.)

Jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim &#8212; this is the theme of Project VRM effort <a href="http://projectvrm.org/" rel="nofollow">http://projectvrm.org/</a> , which is being driven by Doc Searls and others. From the introduction: &#8220;VRM, or Vendor Relationship Management, is the reciprocal of CRM or Customer Relationship Management. It provides customers with tools for engaging with vendors in ways that work for both parties.&#8221;</p>
<p>(Funny, between CXP and VRM, there seems to be a lot of creative thinking based on ill experiences with customer service, be it airlines, phone company, etc.)</p>
<p>Jon</p>
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