Comments on: Oh Process, How Do You Flow?

By: Getting Painted in a Corner by Structured Business Processes?

Getting Painted in a Corner by Structured Business Processes? — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:19:01 +0000

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By: Scenario Driven Processes: A Future Reality?

Scenario Driven Processes: A Future Reality? — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:52:41 +0000

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By: BPM Leverages Agility

BPM Leverages Agility — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:30:21 +0000

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By: Oh Process, How Do You Flow? : Think BPM!

Oh Process, How Do You Flow? : Think BPM! — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:24:47 +0000

[...] How do Process flow? [...]

By: Stefan Brantschen

Stefan Brantschen — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:08:10 +0000

Jim, I couldn’t agree more. That’s why we developed our goal-directed process engine, which selects and combines flow-directed process elements to achieve the goals under the prevailing conditions at run-time.

For example, Daimler AG is using our goal-oriented Living Systems Process Suite (fka LS/ABPM) for their Agile Change Management solution for managing the engineering changes to their car models, where you need a combination of predefined process steps and a high degree of ad-hoc flexibility.

By: Goal directed processes « Pragmatic 2.0

Goal directed processes « Pragmatic 2.0 — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 05:17:17 +0000

[...] BPM, case management, empowerment, goal directed processes, knowledge workers Jim Sinur has a interesting post on Gartner detailing the idea of goal directed processes. Certainly a combination of flow directed [...]

By: Jim Sinur

Jim Sinur — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:07:36 +0000

Sandy,

Agreed. Even in the case where the flows are goal directed, there will be an audit trail for governance and process discovery to find best practices

Jim

By: Jim Sinur

Jim Sinur — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:05:53 +0000

Neeli,

I meant that the goals become declarative rather than the complete process. The flow direct portions will have declarative process models. Most good BPMS technologies can support BPMN and other easier to deal with modeling representations.

JIm

By: Sandy Kemsley

Sandy Kemsley — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:12:59 +0000

Many processes need to be a combination of flow-directed and goal-directed: parts of the process need a pre-defined path for regulatory reasons or to guide tasks done by less-skilled or outsourced workers, whereas other parts need considerably more flexibility for knowledge workers to make choices about what steps to take in order to achieve the goals.

By: Neeli Basanth

Neeli Basanth — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:30:52 +0000

Having declarative processes is really sounds interesting but i am not sure how comfortable business users be with such modeling. Infact even BPMN is seen to be pretty technical for business users. If the idea is to provide control and flexibility for business users to manage processes in the enterprise, it really a very intuitive declarative modeling mechanism.