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	<title>Comments on: Extra, Extra: Simulation is Bi-Optimal</title>
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		<title>By: Simulation and BPM; A Growing Engagement</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gartner.com/jim_sinur/2009/02/10/extra-extra-simulation-is-bi-optimal/comment-page-1/#comment-4317</link>
		<dc:creator>Simulation and BPM; A Growing Engagement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Savoring Simulation: Recent Encouragement</title>
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		<dc:creator>Savoring Simulation: Recent Encouragement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Siddhartha SenGupta</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gartner.com/jim_sinur/2009/02/10/extra-extra-simulation-is-bi-optimal/comment-page-1/#comment-2156</link>
		<dc:creator>Siddhartha SenGupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the same time I would believe Rashid&#039;s suggestion that users of simulation are the rare exceptions rather than anywhere close to single digit % populations. 

The success of optimization thru simulation is much more a qualitative MS problem than a quantitative OR or IT issue. For example, unless one knows &amp; compares the different types of contracts possible between vendors and consumers, optimizing the numbers behind an as-is scenario will surely be sub-optimal. Also, I completely agree that measurements of e.g. Standard Times for tasks are not for BPM systems but for e.g. Time and Motion study systems. And then only the mean values are not enough.

This is what I meant by our OR/MS team having an overview on the simulations done by our IT colleagues. We set the objectives, suggested the scenarios to evaluate and helped them interpret the results. 

As my team does Optimizations with more standard simulation packages like ARENA and LogicTools, they know the extent to which BPM tools can be stretched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the same time I would believe Rashid&#8217;s suggestion that users of simulation are the rare exceptions rather than anywhere close to single digit % populations. </p>
<p>The success of optimization thru simulation is much more a qualitative MS problem than a quantitative OR or IT issue. For example, unless one knows &amp; compares the different types of contracts possible between vendors and consumers, optimizing the numbers behind an as-is scenario will surely be sub-optimal. Also, I completely agree that measurements of e.g. Standard Times for tasks are not for BPM systems but for e.g. Time and Motion study systems. And then only the mean values are not enough.</p>
<p>This is what I meant by our OR/MS team having an overview on the simulations done by our IT colleagues. We set the objectives, suggested the scenarios to evaluate and helped them interpret the results. </p>
<p>As my team does Optimizations with more standard simulation packages like ARENA and LogicTools, they know the extent to which BPM tools can be stretched.</p>
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		<title>By: Siddhartha SenGupta</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gartner.com/jim_sinur/2009/02/10/extra-extra-simulation-is-bi-optimal/comment-page-1/#comment-2154</link>
		<dc:creator>Siddhartha SenGupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to be more inclined towards Jim&#039;s position based on our actual experiences. My team consists of the OR/MS PhDs. In a case, one of our team trained 3 regular IT colleagues in Simulation using one the popular BPM tools. This team was able to complete the process redesign so effectively that the Fortune 200 end user declared an award for the work. Yes, we did maintain an overview, but we never got to even see any of the models directly! And the training took 2 weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to be more inclined towards Jim&#8217;s position based on our actual experiences. My team consists of the OR/MS PhDs. In a case, one of our team trained 3 regular IT colleagues in Simulation using one the popular BPM tools. This team was able to complete the process redesign so effectively that the Fortune 200 end user declared an award for the work. Yes, we did maintain an overview, but we never got to even see any of the models directly! And the training took 2 weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Sinur</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gartner.com/jim_sinur/2009/02/10/extra-extra-simulation-is-bi-optimal/comment-page-1/#comment-1246</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Sinur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is true that you can&#039;t turn off your brain with simulation. There are some impotant guide posts and guard rails to establish, but you no longer need to be an accomplished operations research fellow to do run of the mill simulation and optimiztion. You still need the advanced folks for the tough problems, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is true that you can&#8217;t turn off your brain with simulation. There are some impotant guide posts and guard rails to establish, but you no longer need to be an accomplished operations research fellow to do run of the mill simulation and optimiztion. You still need the advanced folks for the tough problems, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Deane</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gartner.com/jim_sinur/2009/02/10/extra-extra-simulation-is-bi-optimal/comment-page-1/#comment-1245</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Deane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Process Simulation Skills:
http://www.pnmsoft.com/process_simulation_skills.aspx</description>
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		<title>By: The Hype about Simulation and Optimization &#171; Leadership BPM</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gartner.com/jim_sinur/2009/02/10/extra-extra-simulation-is-bi-optimal/comment-page-1/#comment-1203</link>
		<dc:creator>The Hype about Simulation and Optimization &#171; Leadership BPM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] benefits that appear to be waiting at the finger-tips of the BPMS users.  For example, in a recent blog, Jim Sinur, the leading BPM analyst at Gartner, writes as [...]</description>
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