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	<title>Comments on: Talent Relationship Management &#8212; Social Networking Meets Talent Management in the Talent Relationship Lifecycle</title>
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		<title>By: Meg Bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 04:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to see more people talking about this, I agree this is the kind of thinking we need to be doing more of in our industry.  I agree with Lisa&#039;s point that this (networking) is not just about the company but also about the individual.  I think that is why my tweet response that I&#039;m not comfortable with the name &quot;Relationship Management&quot; since I agree with the relationship part, I somehow think that the implication that a social network can (or should) be &quot;managed&quot; feels a bit anti-web 2.0 to me.  

Thanks for opening the discussion, it certainly is nice to see so many people attempting to get first hand experience to help craft their thoughts and opinions.  I appreciate that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see more people talking about this, I agree this is the kind of thinking we need to be doing more of in our industry.  I agree with Lisa&#8217;s point that this (networking) is not just about the company but also about the individual.  I think that is why my tweet response that I&#8217;m not comfortable with the name &#8220;Relationship Management&#8221; since I agree with the relationship part, I somehow think that the implication that a social network can (or should) be &#8220;managed&#8221; feels a bit anti-web 2.0 to me.  </p>
<p>Thanks for opening the discussion, it certainly is nice to see so many people attempting to get first hand experience to help craft their thoughts and opinions.  I appreciate that.</p>
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		<title>By: Working Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Working Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea of lilfetime relationship management and agree that social networking platforms could evolve into a tool to help with that.  I do question whether a high social index is necessarily a predicter of high performance, however.  Just because high performers tend to be well-connected, it doesn&#039;t necessarily follow that popularity leads to success.

Of course, you didn&#039;t actually say this but I have seen it said  elsewhere.

As for tapping into existing social network platforms I wrote a somewhat satirical posting about that here - I think it&#039;s an interesting possibility and agree that open source networks will be more effective than private ones but I don&#039;t think we&#039;re there yet.

http://ls-workgirl.blogspot.com/2009/02/future-of-business-applications.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of lilfetime relationship management and agree that social networking platforms could evolve into a tool to help with that.  I do question whether a high social index is necessarily a predicter of high performance, however.  Just because high performers tend to be well-connected, it doesn&#8217;t necessarily follow that popularity leads to success.</p>
<p>Of course, you didn&#8217;t actually say this but I have seen it said  elsewhere.</p>
<p>As for tapping into existing social network platforms I wrote a somewhat satirical posting about that here &#8211; I think it&#8217;s an interesting possibility and agree that open source networks will be more effective than private ones but I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re there yet.</p>
<p><a href="http://ls-workgirl.blogspot.com/2009/02/future-of-business-applications.html" rel="nofollow">http://ls-workgirl.blogspot.com/2009/02/future-of-business-applications.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Grandma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grandma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually don&#039;t think social networking is the holy grail of collaboration.  It certainly caters to Gen X and Y but there is nothing wrong with a low-tech, high-touch approach to relationships.  I wrote about Web 2.0 and chatting here:

http://grandmaslaw.com/?p=23</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually don&#8217;t think social networking is the holy grail of collaboration.  It certainly caters to Gen X and Y but there is nothing wrong with a low-tech, high-touch approach to relationships.  I wrote about Web 2.0 and chatting here:</p>
<p><a href="http://grandmaslaw.com/?p=23" rel="nofollow">http://grandmaslaw.com/?p=23</a></p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Talent Relationship Management</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Talent Relationship Management</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 090306 Transformation Links &#124; johnsumser.com: Recruiting News and Views</title>
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		<dc:creator>090306 Transformation Links &#124; johnsumser.com: Recruiting News and Views</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Talent Relationship Management — Social Networking Meets Talent Management in the Talent Relations...The interesting thing about the &quot;enterprise space&quot; is that it is such a minor portion of the economy. (Enterprise space is consultant speak for &quot;Fortune 2500&quot;). The budgets are large, decision making is glacial and innovation is usually the enemy. Being the &#8216;analyst&#8217; who covers that beat is an ofthe thankless job. It&#8217;s really cool when someone like Jim Holincheck gets a chance to actually see into the future. It&#8217;s a challenging feat from that position. &#160; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Talent Relationship Management — Social Networking Meets Talent Management in the Talent Relations&#8230;The interesting thing about the &quot;enterprise space&quot; is that it is such a minor portion of the economy. (Enterprise space is consultant speak for &quot;Fortune 2500&quot;). The budgets are large, decision making is glacial and innovation is usually the enemy. Being the &#8216;analyst&#8217; who covers that beat is an ofthe thankless job. It&#8217;s really cool when someone like Jim Holincheck gets a chance to actually see into the future. It&#8217;s a challenging feat from that position. &nbsp; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Berkowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Berkowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

The key phrase in what you wrote (and what the ATS companies don&#039;t seem to get yet) is &quot;I do not have just work-related relationships, I have personal relationships&quot;.  The way to use social networking in a long-term recruiting and retention sense is not to try to build a private social network that you force candidates into (i.e., come join the XYZ Company Private Talent Community), but rather to insert yourself into candidates existing social networks (i.e. please let XYZ join your existing networks and be in a long-term relationship with you).  In order to do this, you have to follow all the &quot;rules&quot; of social networking, or you become just another commercial venture spamming people&#039;s network with self-serving messages.  It will be hard for companies to master the art of creating a network experience that resonates with candidates, alumni, etc. and doesn&#039;t come across as blatant self-promotion.  I predict we will see an explosion of consultants helping companies do just that.  It&#039;s not what we do at SharpObject Consulting, since we only work with RPO providers, but maybe we should consider adding that service...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>The key phrase in what you wrote (and what the ATS companies don&#8217;t seem to get yet) is &#8220;I do not have just work-related relationships, I have personal relationships&#8221;.  The way to use social networking in a long-term recruiting and retention sense is not to try to build a private social network that you force candidates into (i.e., come join the XYZ Company Private Talent Community), but rather to insert yourself into candidates existing social networks (i.e. please let XYZ join your existing networks and be in a long-term relationship with you).  In order to do this, you have to follow all the &#8220;rules&#8221; of social networking, or you become just another commercial venture spamming people&#8217;s network with self-serving messages.  It will be hard for companies to master the art of creating a network experience that resonates with candidates, alumni, etc. and doesn&#8217;t come across as blatant self-promotion.  I predict we will see an explosion of consultants helping companies do just that.  It&#8217;s not what we do at SharpObject Consulting, since we only work with RPO providers, but maybe we should consider adding that service&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Morello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Morello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim: What you&#039;ve found, in my view, is the mother lode of the 21st century. The social fabric connects human beings to one another and to whatever they apply their collective energy. While businesses agonize over the perfect attraction and retention toolbox, the mother lode is right there: The best retention tool is the quality of the people around us. Personalized social tools like Facebook and Twitter enable us to see different facets of people, like holding up a gem and seeing all its sides as it turns. People become smart and fascinating human beings again, more than names on a &quot;to&quot; or &quot;from&quot; line. 

Betsy Burton and I did &quot;maverick&quot; Gartner analysis on the future worker 2015 several years ago and we offered several hypotheses that mesh with your concept: 1) Future successful employers will be *clients* of the energized workforce. 2) High-trust social patterns will underlie 21st century success. 3) Companies that act as if they own or control people will be obsolete by 2015. (With huge companies faltering after playing electronic shell-games with people&#039;s money, that rings especially true.) 

People tapping into the best of themselves and into the best of others is the heart of being human. Doing so in the context of business and institutions is only a by-product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim: What you&#8217;ve found, in my view, is the mother lode of the 21st century. The social fabric connects human beings to one another and to whatever they apply their collective energy. While businesses agonize over the perfect attraction and retention toolbox, the mother lode is right there: The best retention tool is the quality of the people around us. Personalized social tools like Facebook and Twitter enable us to see different facets of people, like holding up a gem and seeing all its sides as it turns. People become smart and fascinating human beings again, more than names on a &#8220;to&#8221; or &#8220;from&#8221; line. </p>
<p>Betsy Burton and I did &#8220;maverick&#8221; Gartner analysis on the future worker 2015 several years ago and we offered several hypotheses that mesh with your concept: 1) Future successful employers will be *clients* of the energized workforce. 2) High-trust social patterns will underlie 21st century success. 3) Companies that act as if they own or control people will be obsolete by 2015. (With huge companies faltering after playing electronic shell-games with people&#8217;s money, that rings especially true.) </p>
<p>People tapping into the best of themselves and into the best of others is the heart of being human. Doing so in the context of business and institutions is only a by-product.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Holincheck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Holincheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all of the great responses.  I am sorry I have been able to respond as quickly, but let&#039;s get started.

- Syris, Thanks!  That is what I was going for.
- Jason, Cool presentation.  There are definitely some good thoughts on the intersection of talent management and social software.  I agree that is how it is evolving right now.  However, it feels more like an add-on (social software as a layer on top of talent management), than it is a different way of think about about the employer/worker relationship and the value of that relationship over time.  We should continue to discuss.
- Jon, you are right that employees who leave are often much more valuable when they return.  That is also something different from the customer relationship.  There is no additional value generated when a customer leaves and buys from another organization.  However, an individual&#039;s value often increases as they grow in knowledge and experience.  I agree with both you and Jason that there is a notion of a profile that marries structured data (like competencies) with unstructured data that is captured from various internal and external applications.  ZoomInfo is my favorite example of this kind of dynamic profile generation.  As Jason has pointed out in previous discussions, it is what you do with the data that matters.  The concept of TLV provides a different lens on the value of the individual/organization relationship.  There is a reason professional sports teams recruit athletes at such a young age these days.  I think they intuitively understand the concept of TLV.

David, you highlight an important point in the broader definition of talent.  Talent is not just full-time, part-time, and contingent workers.  Talent should includes customers, partners, and vendors as well.  The notion of the extended enterprise is not only relevant in understanding your current talent supply, but in this context it is relevant because an individual may move between these different categorizations multiple times during their working career.  The relationship dynamics and relationship value may intensify or diminish multiple times.

Scott, you bring up a great thought on security and privacy.  With all of this data floating around there are certainly legitimate privacy concerns.  As you say, an individual can choose whether or not they participate in various forms of social networks, but employers have to be careful about how they use the data that they mine about the talent relationship.  I could see serious problems if it is used to discriminate or for other nefarious purposes.

Lisa, you are quite right.  It is a two-way street.  An individual employee can not only enhance his or her own value by collaborating, building, and contributing to their network, but it can also create value for their employer (or even former employer and potentially future employers, if my thesis is correct).

Naomi, it is important to point out the power of networks.  It is interesting that your domain model needed little tweaking to accommodate social media.  I have been of the opinion that it would be hard to create a structured data model that would encompass the breadth of information available on the web and via social media, but would love to hear more about what you have found.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all of the great responses.  I am sorry I have been able to respond as quickly, but let&#8217;s get started.</p>
<p>- Syris, Thanks!  That is what I was going for.<br />
- Jason, Cool presentation.  There are definitely some good thoughts on the intersection of talent management and social software.  I agree that is how it is evolving right now.  However, it feels more like an add-on (social software as a layer on top of talent management), than it is a different way of think about about the employer/worker relationship and the value of that relationship over time.  We should continue to discuss.<br />
- Jon, you are right that employees who leave are often much more valuable when they return.  That is also something different from the customer relationship.  There is no additional value generated when a customer leaves and buys from another organization.  However, an individual&#8217;s value often increases as they grow in knowledge and experience.  I agree with both you and Jason that there is a notion of a profile that marries structured data (like competencies) with unstructured data that is captured from various internal and external applications.  ZoomInfo is my favorite example of this kind of dynamic profile generation.  As Jason has pointed out in previous discussions, it is what you do with the data that matters.  The concept of TLV provides a different lens on the value of the individual/organization relationship.  There is a reason professional sports teams recruit athletes at such a young age these days.  I think they intuitively understand the concept of TLV.</p>
<p>David, you highlight an important point in the broader definition of talent.  Talent is not just full-time, part-time, and contingent workers.  Talent should includes customers, partners, and vendors as well.  The notion of the extended enterprise is not only relevant in understanding your current talent supply, but in this context it is relevant because an individual may move between these different categorizations multiple times during their working career.  The relationship dynamics and relationship value may intensify or diminish multiple times.</p>
<p>Scott, you bring up a great thought on security and privacy.  With all of this data floating around there are certainly legitimate privacy concerns.  As you say, an individual can choose whether or not they participate in various forms of social networks, but employers have to be careful about how they use the data that they mine about the talent relationship.  I could see serious problems if it is used to discriminate or for other nefarious purposes.</p>
<p>Lisa, you are quite right.  It is a two-way street.  An individual employee can not only enhance his or her own value by collaborating, building, and contributing to their network, but it can also create value for their employer (or even former employer and potentially future employers, if my thesis is correct).</p>
<p>Naomi, it is important to point out the power of networks.  It is interesting that your domain model needed little tweaking to accommodate social media.  I have been of the opinion that it would be hard to create a structured data model that would encompass the breadth of information available on the web and via social media, but would love to hear more about what you have found.</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi Bloom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naomi Bloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, Excellent post.  And we&#039;re thinking along the same lines.  As part of a normal update cycle for my HRM Domain Model &quot;Starter Kit&quot;, I have been testing my person object model and the associated killer scenarios and application architecture principles to ensure that they would hold when a range of social media are applied within the person/organization context.  Some enhancements needed, perhaps, one or more additional roles of person with respect to the organization, but the model holds up very well -- better than I expected.  What&#039;s really new here is the multiplier effect, almost a viral effect, of my network when leveraged via various communications mechanisms, and Twitter is an excellent example.  If you&#039;ve chosen who you follow on Twitter wisely, and you&#039;ve earned their respect enough to warrant their responding to a question, then you&#039;ve magnified tremendously -- and very quickly -- your ability to get real work done.  Those of us with great networks of knowledgeable colleagues have always been able to reach out for information, problem-solving, job or business opportunities, but it&#039;s been slower and more tedious to do so via phone/FAX/email than it is via LinkedIn groups or Twitter clusters.  But this combining of the reach and speed of social media with the integrity of one&#039;s network is of benefit to us as individuals but also to whoever else benefits from our work, including clients and employers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, Excellent post.  And we&#8217;re thinking along the same lines.  As part of a normal update cycle for my HRM Domain Model &#8220;Starter Kit&#8221;, I have been testing my person object model and the associated killer scenarios and application architecture principles to ensure that they would hold when a range of social media are applied within the person/organization context.  Some enhancements needed, perhaps, one or more additional roles of person with respect to the organization, but the model holds up very well &#8212; better than I expected.  What&#8217;s really new here is the multiplier effect, almost a viral effect, of my network when leveraged via various communications mechanisms, and Twitter is an excellent example.  If you&#8217;ve chosen who you follow on Twitter wisely, and you&#8217;ve earned their respect enough to warrant their responding to a question, then you&#8217;ve magnified tremendously &#8212; and very quickly &#8212; your ability to get real work done.  Those of us with great networks of knowledgeable colleagues have always been able to reach out for information, problem-solving, job or business opportunities, but it&#8217;s been slower and more tedious to do so via phone/FAX/email than it is via LinkedIn groups or Twitter clusters.  But this combining of the reach and speed of social media with the integrity of one&#8217;s network is of benefit to us as individuals but also to whoever else benefits from our work, including clients and employers.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Rowan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Rowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jim,

Thought provoking. I wonder, though, if putting it into the nomenclature of the life cycle limits some facets of socialization.  It isn&#039;t just about the employer to talent linkages but also about the network that the talent builds on its own and how that can positively impact business, e.g. employee blogs and/or twitters and has the chance to improve the name recognition of the employer brand (and their own brand.)  Personal example, I saw a client tweet a general question and I answered if offline and was thought to be helpful, without this a missed opportunity for achieving good customer service.

Make sense?
Lisa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim,</p>
<p>Thought provoking. I wonder, though, if putting it into the nomenclature of the life cycle limits some facets of socialization.  It isn&#8217;t just about the employer to talent linkages but also about the network that the talent builds on its own and how that can positively impact business, e.g. employee blogs and/or twitters and has the chance to improve the name recognition of the employer brand (and their own brand.)  Personal example, I saw a client tweet a general question and I answered if offline and was thought to be helpful, without this a missed opportunity for achieving good customer service.</p>
<p>Make sense?<br />
Lisa</p>
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