Definitely an interesting topic and the one caught my attention as I am in the similar dillema to be certifier or not to be certified. As some of you correctly pointed out its not just the certification but the practical experience that matters.

I have also spoken to some of my seniors and they all are of opinions that in process it is experience that matters. Infact upon evaluating the course content of OMG BPM certification, it doesnt offer me anything new that I havent done in one project or the other.

So the question is not just whether one should go for certification or not but also the fact to what depth these certification courses actually offer?
So can their be certification course for sub-disciplines of BPM like Business Process Re-engineering, Process Improvement etc which makes a person specialize in specific module with more depth in content…

Having said that I am also scouting for good courses and ABPMP, AIIM BPM are the ones which I am looking at…

Looking forward to other thoughts..

Incredible, that two years after your dissertation, we are still arguing, if it is necesary or not to have a certificaction in BPM….

Definitly, I would like to know, what you think now about this topic, and if you could give us some advices….

thanks in Advance.

Thanks

Thanks.

Pooja

Now I am looking to obtain a recognized certification in the field of BPM so I can get the right job,

Is there any recognized International Professional body in the field of BPM who grant this kind of certification.

Do not forget to mention the OMG’s exam (www.omg.org/oceb):

Yes certification is certinally just a datapoint. I will reiterate some comments I previously made. I like to quote Robert Beer, the great English Tibetian artist: “The difference between the accumulation of knowledge and wisdom may be enormous, ‘There are Learners and there are the learned; memory maketh one, philosophy the other‘. Knowledge is communicable, wisdom is not.” Dumas was responsible for the inner quotation.

The real value of BPM certification is that a good one should offer the best comprehensive review of the Business Process Management and Modeling literature and practices available today. To prepare for exam students will need to read study and retain an enormously valuable body of knowledge.

The gap between learning and wisdom is not an excuse to forsake learning by any means. (Imagine a wise practioner that is not learned.) The idea that BPM certification will not lead to good Business Process Management is specious.

The gap between learning and wisdom is not an excuse to forsake learning by any means. (Imagine a wise practioner that is not learned.) The idea that OCEB certification will not aid in good Business Process Management is specious.

Tom

Peter’s point that certification should encompass both training (i.e., presume testing is interchangeable here) and experience is very fundamental and of course, very traditional. I am a CMA (Certified Management Accountant), who went through the traditional certification process many moons ago. I happen to share Peter’s view. However, presently the cart is being tipped in one of the strongest credential markets known, accounting.

The CPA’s in Michigan (as of 2/2010) are contemplating a move to issue the CPA certificate on test results alone. This is apparently how many (most?) states have now set their CPA requirements. Wow? Take my books and taxes to an inexperienced CPA?

While I personally believe no amount of book work can replace experience, who am I to state that it is a prerequisite to being labeled an expert in something. I’ve experienced inept CPA’s and CMA’s, and others that make me feel embarrased by how much they seem to know.

LET THE BUYER BEWARE. People need to do more than just hire an expert, they need to research who they hire. Unfortunately, people generally look for the easy way out.

The aggregate of human nature will NEVER change, at least not in this mortal existence.

The CPA’s in Michigan (as of 2/2010) are contemplating a move to issue the CPA certificate on test results alone. This is apparently how many (most?) states have now set their CPA requirements. Wow? Take my books and taxes to an inexperienced CPA?

While I personally believe no amount of book work can replace experience, who am I to state that it is a prerequisite to being labeled an expert in something. I’ve experienced inept CPA’s and CMA’s, and others that make me feel embarrased by how much they seem to know.

\Let the buyer beware.\ People need to do than just hire an expert, they need to research who they hire. Unfortunately, people generally look for the easy way out.

The aggregate of human nature will NEVER change, at least not in this mortal existence.