Comments on: IT Operations Futures: Will We Find An Aiko In Your Data Center? http://blogs.gartner.com/cameron_haight/2008/12/10/it-operations-futures-will-we-find-an-aiko-in-your-data-center/ A member of the Gartner Blog Network Tue, 22 Nov 2011 00:13:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Cameron Haight http://blogs.gartner.com/cameron_haight/2008/12/10/it-operations-futures-will-we-find-an-aiko-in-your-data-center/comment-page-1/#comment-86 Cameron Haight Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:44:35 +0000 http://blogs.gartner.com/cameron_haight/2008/12/10/it-operations-futures-will-we-find-an-aiko-in-your-data-center/#comment-86 Thanks for your comments Steve (and it's good to know that there are a few of us "old timers" still around). Actually, I'm familiar with your work on the viops website, and would enjoy a discussion at your convenience as I'm still very focused on the operational impact of virtualization. Best way to arrange this would be to coordinate through your analyst relations person. If you don't know who this is, please ping me at cameron.haight@gartner.com and I will forward you a name. Many thanks again. Thanks for your comments Steve (and it’s good to know that there are a few of us “old timers” still around). Actually, I’m familiar with your work on the viops website, and would enjoy a discussion at your convenience as I’m still very focused on the operational impact of virtualization. Best way to arrange this would be to coordinate through your analyst relations person. If you don’t know who this is, please ping me at cameron.haight@gartner.com and I will forward you a name. Many thanks again.

]]> By: Steve Chambers http://blogs.gartner.com/cameron_haight/2008/12/10/it-operations-futures-will-we-find-an-aiko-in-your-data-center/comment-page-1/#comment-84 Steve Chambers Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:54:02 +0000 http://blogs.gartner.com/cameron_haight/2008/12/10/it-operations-futures-will-we-find-an-aiko-in-your-data-center/#comment-84 Cameron, I remember CLISTS and REXX execs... my my that seems a long time ago I'm working at VMware looking at management operations - I agree with you on the ease of describing a framework and the difficulty of executing on it... I'm working with a few others on this niggly problem and continue to meet large customers every week with similar challenges... if you are doing any research in this area I'd like to understand more! Cameron, I remember CLISTS and REXX execs… my my that seems a long time ago

I’m working at VMware looking at management operations – I agree with you on the ease of describing a framework and the difficulty of executing on it… I’m working with a few others on this niggly problem and continue to meet large customers every week with similar challenges… if you are doing any research in this area I’d like to understand more!

]]> By: Cameron Haight http://blogs.gartner.com/cameron_haight/2008/12/10/it-operations-futures-will-we-find-an-aiko-in-your-data-center/comment-page-1/#comment-79 Cameron Haight Thu, 11 Dec 2008 03:23:22 +0000 http://blogs.gartner.com/cameron_haight/2008/12/10/it-operations-futures-will-we-find-an-aiko-in-your-data-center/#comment-79 Thanks for your comments Mike. I agree that complexity is probably the major factor, but I would also state that automation (and associated analytics) are not areas that have generally seen huge investments by the major management vendors (I am of course not including acquisitions as this is not the same as innovation). Why? I'm not sure ... it is expensive work to perform (often requiring lots of Ph.D.-level talent) and perhaps that also explains some of it. Additionally, it seems like there is still lots of other "low hanging fruit" to be gained with less cost or effort. I can't say that I blame enterprise management companies for this, but it also means that as an industry we haven't really advanced all that much since the days I used to work with NetView automation CLISTs and REXX execs at IBM in the 1980s. Thanks for your comments Mike. I agree that complexity is probably the major factor, but I would also state that automation (and associated analytics) are not areas that have generally seen huge investments by the major management vendors (I am of course not including acquisitions as this is not the same as innovation). Why? I’m not sure … it is expensive work to perform (often requiring lots of Ph.D.-level talent) and perhaps that also explains some of it. Additionally, it seems like there is still lots of other “low hanging fruit” to be gained with less cost or effort. I can’t say that I blame enterprise management companies for this, but it also means that as an industry we haven’t really advanced all that much since the days I used to work with NetView automation CLISTs and REXX execs at IBM in the 1980s.

]]> By: Mike Malloy http://blogs.gartner.com/cameron_haight/2008/12/10/it-operations-futures-will-we-find-an-aiko-in-your-data-center/comment-page-1/#comment-78 Mike Malloy Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:30:03 +0000 http://blogs.gartner.com/cameron_haight/2008/12/10/it-operations-futures-will-we-find-an-aiko-in-your-data-center/#comment-78 Cameron, That definitely is creepy. I think the limiting factor for automation has been the combination of complexity and volatility that IT operations face. Traffic, applications, databases, and a hundred other things change everyday. Teaching automated tools to assimilate and respond except in simple cases has simply been too difficult thus far. Now, I wonder if I can teach that sys admin to recognize my face... Mike Cameron,
That definitely is creepy. I think the limiting factor for automation has been the combination of complexity and volatility that IT operations face. Traffic, applications, databases, and a hundred other things change everyday. Teaching automated tools to assimilate and respond except in simple cases has simply been too difficult thus far.

Now, I wonder if I can teach that sys admin to recognize my face…
Mike

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