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	<title>Comments on: Microsoft&#8217;s Word Patent Woes May Be Broadly Shared</title>
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		<title>By: Microsoft v. i4i - The More I Read The Less I Like</title>
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		<dc:creator>Microsoft v. i4i - The More I Read The Less I Like</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] case which has resulted in the initial injunction that would stop the sale of Microsoft Word. In my initial post on this topic I was of the view that: &#8220;&#8230;this is not a typical rubbish software patent that earns its [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] case which has resulted in the initial injunction that would stop the sale of Microsoft Word. In my initial post on this topic I was of the view that: &#8220;&#8230;this is not a typical rubbish software patent that earns its [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This case could be a critical nail in the coffin of software patents. It illustrates everything that&#039;s bad about them: inhibiting innovation, inhibiting adoption of open standards, rewarding people who had an idea but didn&#039;t know how to make a success of it in the market, putting the user community in the cross-fire, trying to work out whether two pretty abstract software designs are in some sense technically equivalent when there is no theoretical basis for determining the equivalence of two designs. More than anything else, there&#039;s a good chance it will be a wake-up call for Microsoft, making them realise that software patents aren&#039;t just a weapon they can use against little guys, but a weapon that little guys can use against them. If that makes Microsoft see the light and realise that software patents are 100% evil, it will be a victory for us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This case could be a critical nail in the coffin of software patents. It illustrates everything that&#8217;s bad about them: inhibiting innovation, inhibiting adoption of open standards, rewarding people who had an idea but didn&#8217;t know how to make a success of it in the market, putting the user community in the cross-fire, trying to work out whether two pretty abstract software designs are in some sense technically equivalent when there is no theoretical basis for determining the equivalence of two designs. More than anything else, there&#8217;s a good chance it will be a wake-up call for Microsoft, making them realise that software patents aren&#8217;t just a weapon they can use against little guys, but a weapon that little guys can use against them. If that makes Microsoft see the light and realise that software patents are 100% evil, it will be a victory for us all.</p>
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		<title>By: LUP011 Linux and Open Source News for August 16, 2009 &#124; Linux User Podcast</title>
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		<dc:creator>LUP011 Linux and Open Source News for August 16, 2009 &#124; Linux User Podcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Visitors Open Textbooks Win Over Publishers In CA Judge: Microsoft can&#8217;t sell Word anymore Microsoft’s Word Patent Woes May Be Broadly Shared Deciphering Windows 7 Upgrades: The Official [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Visitors Open Textbooks Win Over Publishers In CA Judge: Microsoft can&#8217;t sell Word anymore Microsoft’s Word Patent Woes May Be Broadly Shared Deciphering Windows 7 Upgrades: The Official [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Al Macintyre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Macintyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The i4i patent is an idea that instead of storing documents as one large file that combine both content (e.g., text) and formatting intermixed, they instead separate the content from the formatting markup into separate files, allowing content to be changed independently of style. However, the exact structure of the separation is not detailed in the patent, just the concept of separation.

This idea has been embodied in IBM code, that some people might call legacy code, for many decades, on IBM systems known as S/38, AS/400, iSeries, using a concept IBM calls &quot;external definitions&quot; of files and other computer objects.  IBM&#039;s prior art could invalidate the i4i patent and Microsoft patents.

With &quot;external definitions&quot;, the layout of a file or table or other IBM object type, is stored separately from the actual content of the file.  The layout says how big the thing is, a fixed size, or if it has variable size, what can go in each of the field columns such as text, ISO compliant date, floating point, integers with how many decimal places, urls, images, whatever.

Prior to IBM inventing &quot;external definitions&quot;, IBM software used &quot;internal definitions&quot; where the layout was defined by the various programs that accessed the files, and these definitions could be contradictory, not complying with relational data base rules.  IBM systems still support this, so legacy code can be ported to the newer systems.

With &quot;internal definitions&quot;, the content was separate from the layout, and that concept goes back to the dawn of IBM computers, 50 years or more ago, before even when Microsoft was founded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The i4i patent is an idea that instead of storing documents as one large file that combine both content (e.g., text) and formatting intermixed, they instead separate the content from the formatting markup into separate files, allowing content to be changed independently of style. However, the exact structure of the separation is not detailed in the patent, just the concept of separation.</p>
<p>This idea has been embodied in IBM code, that some people might call legacy code, for many decades, on IBM systems known as S/38, AS/400, iSeries, using a concept IBM calls &#8220;external definitions&#8221; of files and other computer objects.  IBM&#8217;s prior art could invalidate the i4i patent and Microsoft patents.</p>
<p>With &#8220;external definitions&#8221;, the layout of a file or table or other IBM object type, is stored separately from the actual content of the file.  The layout says how big the thing is, a fixed size, or if it has variable size, what can go in each of the field columns such as text, ISO compliant date, floating point, integers with how many decimal places, urls, images, whatever.</p>
<p>Prior to IBM inventing &#8220;external definitions&#8221;, IBM software used &#8220;internal definitions&#8221; where the layout was defined by the various programs that accessed the files, and these definitions could be contradictory, not complying with relational data base rules.  IBM systems still support this, so legacy code can be ported to the newer systems.</p>
<p>With &#8220;internal definitions&#8221;, the content was separate from the layout, and that concept goes back to the dawn of IBM computers, 50 years or more ago, before even when Microsoft was founded.</p>
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		<title>By: makomk</title>
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		<dc:creator>makomk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, zero threat to ODF from this particular patent. ODF itself does its formatting in a very similar fashion to HTML and the other SGML-based document formats, and that&#039;s pretty clearly not covered by the patent.

In fact, core OOXML isn&#039;t at threat either (though it&#039;s more at risk from other patents than ODF, since it does its formatting in an oddball fashion that isn&#039;t HTML/SGML-like). The infringing feature is something called &quot;Custom XML&quot;, where you can stick an arbitrary XML file in the Word file and integrate text from it into the document proper. 

The key elements of the patent are that the document is split into two parts - one containing just text, the other containing formatting - and that the formatting part references the bits of text to which it applies via their locations. Custom XML has these key elements (though the location is actually implemented as a full XML path).

ODF doesn&#039;t. While they are adding their own answer to Custom XML in the next version, it doesn&#039;t work the same way. The key idea of their RDF-based solution seems to be that you insert the text inline into the document XML itself like normal text, and mark it up with metadata that allows it to be extracted later. It may additionally allow the incorporation of things from seperate RDF files into the document (hard to tell from the docs), but it uses unique xml:id attributes added to the XML elements to glue everything together.

Plus, even if ODF did infringe (which it doesn&#039;t), it wouldn&#039;t necessarily be at risk of being sued. i4i isn&#039;t just a patent troll - they&#039;re angry with Microsoft because this new Microsoft Word feature was killing off the market for their own core product based on this patent (and Microsoft was entirely aware that it would, as demonstrated by internal memos). Microsoft has a long history of deliberately pulling stunts like this - it&#039;s why they have a bad reputation in the IT industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, zero threat to ODF from this particular patent. ODF itself does its formatting in a very similar fashion to HTML and the other SGML-based document formats, and that&#8217;s pretty clearly not covered by the patent.</p>
<p>In fact, core OOXML isn&#8217;t at threat either (though it&#8217;s more at risk from other patents than ODF, since it does its formatting in an oddball fashion that isn&#8217;t HTML/SGML-like). The infringing feature is something called &#8220;Custom XML&#8221;, where you can stick an arbitrary XML file in the Word file and integrate text from it into the document proper. </p>
<p>The key elements of the patent are that the document is split into two parts &#8211; one containing just text, the other containing formatting &#8211; and that the formatting part references the bits of text to which it applies via their locations. Custom XML has these key elements (though the location is actually implemented as a full XML path).</p>
<p>ODF doesn&#8217;t. While they are adding their own answer to Custom XML in the next version, it doesn&#8217;t work the same way. The key idea of their RDF-based solution seems to be that you insert the text inline into the document XML itself like normal text, and mark it up with metadata that allows it to be extracted later. It may additionally allow the incorporation of things from seperate RDF files into the document (hard to tell from the docs), but it uses unique xml:id attributes added to the XML elements to glue everything together.</p>
<p>Plus, even if ODF did infringe (which it doesn&#8217;t), it wouldn&#8217;t necessarily be at risk of being sued. i4i isn&#8217;t just a patent troll &#8211; they&#8217;re angry with Microsoft because this new Microsoft Word feature was killing off the market for their own core product based on this patent (and Microsoft was entirely aware that it would, as demonstrated by internal memos). Microsoft has a long history of deliberately pulling stunts like this &#8211; it&#8217;s why they have a bad reputation in the IT industry.</p>
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		<title>By: The Microsoft Crowd Uses the Word Verdict to Throw FUD at ODF, More Spin Comes from Denmark &#124; Boycott Novell</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Microsoft Crowd Uses the Word Verdict to Throw FUD at ODF, More Spin Comes from Denmark &#124; Boycott Novell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] months [1, 2, 3, 4]. That&#8217;s not even to mention Garner in general [1, 2, 3, 4]. Here is the source of the FUD and here is IDG linking to Ziff Davis (eWeek), both of which have business relationships with [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] months [1, 2, 3, 4]. That&#8217;s not even to mention Garner in general [1, 2, 3, 4]. Here is the source of the FUD and here is IDG linking to Ziff Davis (eWeek), both of which have business relationships with [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the claim, they walked through how a knowledgeable person would manually read a file that is encoded with SGML. Then they claimed that their patent covers every possible automatic approach to doing that? It&#039;s so ridiculous. Patents don&#039;t protect mental acts. Patents that claim to cover automatically through a computer that people already do should not be defended as &quot;state of the art&quot;. Patents are supposed to cover new and inventive things, not automatization of things that are done already.

I might as well patent every process that people today do mentally that is not yet done by a computer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the claim, they walked through how a knowledgeable person would manually read a file that is encoded with SGML. Then they claimed that their patent covers every possible automatic approach to doing that? It&#8217;s so ridiculous. Patents don&#8217;t protect mental acts. Patents that claim to cover automatically through a computer that people already do should not be defended as &#8220;state of the art&#8221;. Patents are supposed to cover new and inventive things, not automatization of things that are done already.</p>
<p>I might as well patent every process that people today do mentally that is not yet done by a computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wasserman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Wasserman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the patent. It seems to boil down to this: markup is inline, that is, it interrupts the data stream it describes; inline markup can be inconvenient; to take the markup out of the data stream one can create a separate map indexed to points in the data stream being described.

That seems to me to be about the most obvious and trivial solution in the world. Using indices to reference portions of a data stream was described in the literature at least as early as 1973. Communications of the ACM, 16:622 (http://books.google.com/books?id=pmAfAAAAMAAJ&amp;q=index+data+stream&amp;dq=index+data+stream).

Also, I cannot see a threat to the Open Document Format itself. ODF is XML. The patent is for a technique that is basically &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; XML. (Although I suppose the ODF method of recording editing history might be conceived of as infringing.) It may well be the case though that OpenOffice--and many, many more programs--use an index map technique that is covered by the patent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the patent. It seems to boil down to this: markup is inline, that is, it interrupts the data stream it describes; inline markup can be inconvenient; to take the markup out of the data stream one can create a separate map indexed to points in the data stream being described.</p>
<p>That seems to me to be about the most obvious and trivial solution in the world. Using indices to reference portions of a data stream was described in the literature at least as early as 1973. Communications of the ACM, 16:622 (<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=pmAfAAAAMAAJ&#038;q=index+data+stream&#038;dq=index+data+stream" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=pmAfAAAAMAAJ&#038;q=index+data+stream&#038;dq=index+data+stream</a>).</p>
<p>Also, I cannot see a threat to the Open Document Format itself. ODF is XML. The patent is for a technique that is basically <i>not</i> XML. (Although I suppose the ODF method of recording editing history might be conceived of as infringing.) It may well be the case though that OpenOffice&#8211;and many, many more programs&#8211;use an index map technique that is covered by the patent.</p>
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		<title>By: FredericBaud</title>
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		<dc:creator>FredericBaud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, 

Interesting (unfortunately with apparently a bit of tragedy) to see at the same time one of your colleague pondering on the effects of a court decision back in Dec 2008 about infringement by Emptoris of 2 patents owned by Ariba. I don&#039;t know the details, and don&#039;t know if Emptoris had what it would take to develop into a contributing company, but extracting $7M of Flesh to feed a company like Ariba did certainly not help the cause for innovation.

http://blogs.gartner.com/debbie_wilson/2009/08/13/a-new-chapter-for-emptoris-%E2%80%93-and-avner-schneur/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, </p>
<p>Interesting (unfortunately with apparently a bit of tragedy) to see at the same time one of your colleague pondering on the effects of a court decision back in Dec 2008 about infringement by Emptoris of 2 patents owned by Ariba. I don&#8217;t know the details, and don&#8217;t know if Emptoris had what it would take to develop into a contributing company, but extracting $7M of Flesh to feed a company like Ariba did certainly not help the cause for innovation.</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.gartner.com/debbie_wilson/2009/08/13/a-new-chapter-for-emptoris-%E2%80%93-and-avner-schneur/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.gartner.com/debbie_wilson/2009/08/13/a-new-chapter-for-emptoris-%E2%80%93-and-avner-schneur/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Acheson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Acheson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still digesting the facts. I will continue to update this web page as I progress. When finished, this page will provide a simple analysis of the facts, and offer an informed prediction about the likely outcome of the appeal:-

http://www.timacheson.com/blog/2009/aug/microsoft_word_banned_in_usa_over_alleged_patent_infringement

I can offer technical expertise and experience of the type of computer operation in question. I am consulting with contacts who have specialist knowledge in the other key areas, patent law and patent interpretation -- patent attorneys and editors on publications about scientific patents.

At this stage the story has been widely-reported in the mass media and online, and commented upon by the general public. There is a lack of informed analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still digesting the facts. I will continue to update this web page as I progress. When finished, this page will provide a simple analysis of the facts, and offer an informed prediction about the likely outcome of the appeal:-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timacheson.com/blog/2009/aug/microsoft_word_banned_in_usa_over_alleged_patent_infringement" rel="nofollow">http://www.timacheson.com/blog/2009/aug/microsoft_word_banned_in_usa_over_alleged_patent_infringement</a></p>
<p>I can offer technical expertise and experience of the type of computer operation in question. I am consulting with contacts who have specialist knowledge in the other key areas, patent law and patent interpretation &#8212; patent attorneys and editors on publications about scientific patents.</p>
<p>At this stage the story has been widely-reported in the mass media and online, and commented upon by the general public. There is a lack of informed analysis.</p>
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