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		<title>By: Brian Prentice</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gartner.com/brian_prentice/2009/05/05/dear-congress-please-ignore-the-it-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-722</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Prentice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Small Software Guy - in a democratic system all we have to rely on is public participation. What we need to make sure of is that the voice of those who don&#039;t have big dollars or dedicated lobbyists are also heard. You might want to take a look at http://change-congress.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Small Software Guy &#8211; in a democratic system all we have to rely on is public participation. What we need to make sure of is that the voice of those who don&#8217;t have big dollars or dedicated lobbyists are also heard. You might want to take a look at <a href="http://change-congress.org/" rel="nofollow">http://change-congress.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Small Software Guy That Is Effectively Innovating Using Patents</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gartner.com/brian_prentice/2009/05/05/dear-congress-please-ignore-the-it-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-717</link>
		<dc:creator>Small Software Guy That Is Effectively Innovating Using Patents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with &quot;public participation&quot; is that it tilts in favour of the big company with $resources.  The little guy won&#039;t have the time to examine Microsoft&#039;s 4000-5000 patents a year, but if Microsoft wants, they can dig up all sorts of information on something close enough to a specific small companies 1-5 patents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with &#8220;public participation&#8221; is that it tilts in favour of the big company with $resources.  The little guy won&#8217;t have the time to examine Microsoft&#8217;s 4000-5000 patents a year, but if Microsoft wants, they can dig up all sorts of information on something close enough to a specific small companies 1-5 patents.</p>
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		<title>By: PL Hayes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gartner.com/brian_prentice/2009/05/05/dear-congress-please-ignore-the-it-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-398</link>
		<dc:creator>PL Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your argument is itself flawed, Mr. Halling,  Firstly, if the patent claims for some invention are not limited in scope by being specifically directed to hardware*, then they are (probably) “software patent claims” - the choice of implementation thereafter is quite irrelevant and I am indeed against them! Secondly, that obviously does not imply that I am against “patents for electronic circuits”: if your fast encryption circuit is fast because of the particular contribution your invention has made to circuit technology,  rather than to information processing, I am not necessarily against it. (Though if it transpired that patent eligibility in that field failed to “promote progress...” and enhance economic and social welfare, I certainly would be!)

* Or by &#039;preferred embodiment&#039; or whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your argument is itself flawed, Mr. Halling,  Firstly, if the patent claims for some invention are not limited in scope by being specifically directed to hardware*, then they are (probably) “software patent claims” &#8211; the choice of implementation thereafter is quite irrelevant and I am indeed against them! Secondly, that obviously does not imply that I am against “patents for electronic circuits”: if your fast encryption circuit is fast because of the particular contribution your invention has made to circuit technology,  rather than to information processing, I am not necessarily against it. (Though if it transpired that patent eligibility in that field failed to “promote progress&#8230;” and enhance economic and social welfare, I certainly would be!)</p>
<p>* Or by &#8216;preferred embodiment&#8217; or whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale B. Halling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale B. Halling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 00:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The arguments against software patents have a fundamental flaw.  As any electrical engineer knows, solutions to problems implemented in software can also be realized in hardware, i.e., electronic circuits.  The main reason for choosing a software solution is the ease in implementing changes, the main reason for choosing a hardware solution is speed of processing.  Therefore, a time critical solution is more likely to be implemented in hardware.  While a solution that requires the ability to add features easily will be implemented in software.  As a result, to be intellectually consistent those people against software patents also have to be against patents for electronic circuits.  For more information on patents and innovation see www.hallingblog.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The arguments against software patents have a fundamental flaw.  As any electrical engineer knows, solutions to problems implemented in software can also be realized in hardware, i.e., electronic circuits.  The main reason for choosing a software solution is the ease in implementing changes, the main reason for choosing a hardware solution is speed of processing.  Therefore, a time critical solution is more likely to be implemented in hardware.  While a solution that requires the ability to add features easily will be implemented in software.  As a result, to be intellectually consistent those people against software patents also have to be against patents for electronic circuits.  For more information on patents and innovation see <a href="http://www.hallingblog.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.hallingblog.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Prentice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Prentice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 23:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PL Hayes - I certainly don&#039;t expect people in a public policy debate to avoid presenting their specific perspective. But what bothers me with Patent Reform is that there&#039;s probably a lot of common ground that competing vested interests have. I am only advocating we address these issues first. Patent reform doesn&#039;t go through Congress every 2-3 years. Let&#039;s fix the glaring problems first as it will be a long time before we get another crack at this.

Patent quality, in my view, is the probability a patent will be overturned in court. When I look at a lot of software patents I am struck by their obviousness and lack of novelty. I put this down to resource and skill constraints at the PTO. Again, I respect Johnson&#039;s focus on that issue.

As far as the validity of software patents I have taken the liberty to &quot;Google&quot; some of your comments to others. I appreciate your rational discussion of the topic. And while you and I agree that the patent system will always be prone to problems, the discussion of what constitutes patentable material should be separated from that.

Rather than elaborate on my reasons for why software should be patentable here, I&#039;ll do my best to post these thoughts in a separate blog post. Then you can have at me ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PL Hayes &#8211; I certainly don&#8217;t expect people in a public policy debate to avoid presenting their specific perspective. But what bothers me with Patent Reform is that there&#8217;s probably a lot of common ground that competing vested interests have. I am only advocating we address these issues first. Patent reform doesn&#8217;t go through Congress every 2-3 years. Let&#8217;s fix the glaring problems first as it will be a long time before we get another crack at this.</p>
<p>Patent quality, in my view, is the probability a patent will be overturned in court. When I look at a lot of software patents I am struck by their obviousness and lack of novelty. I put this down to resource and skill constraints at the PTO. Again, I respect Johnson&#8217;s focus on that issue.</p>
<p>As far as the validity of software patents I have taken the liberty to &#8220;Google&#8221; some of your comments to others. I appreciate your rational discussion of the topic. And while you and I agree that the patent system will always be prone to problems, the discussion of what constitutes patentable material should be separated from that.</p>
<p>Rather than elaborate on my reasons for why software should be patentable here, I&#8217;ll do my best to post these thoughts in a separate blog post. Then you can have at me <img src='http://blogs.gartner.com/brian_prentice/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: PL Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>PL Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 18:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it&#039;s a fine example of self-serving testimony serving the interests of the group of companies Johnson represents - as it has every right to be and couldn&#039;t really be otherwise! From an economic and social welfare point of view an invitation to take a middle road is, potentially, an invitation to settle for a false compromise anyway. 

Far more interesting to me than anything covered in Johnson&#039;s testimony are the questions you have raised. What exactly is meant by patent quality? Are there really only too many &#039;bad&#039; software patents? More fundamentally: is patent eligibility for software inventions economically justifiable at all? Would we be better off if IBM had failed to preempt the patenting of the FFT?

Personally,  I take an opposite position to yours and have a very serious problem indeed with patenting software. In fact it&#039;s the ones often used as exemplars of &#039;good&#039; software patents (DHT, RSA...) which originally motivated me to look for solid theoretical and empirical economic justification for them. (If I&#039;d found some - instead of mostly the opposite! - I&#039;d certainly concede the desirability of including software in patent eligible subject matter, but not that there can ever be no problem  with doing so - it is intrinsic to the nature of the patent system that there will be problems).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it&#8217;s a fine example of self-serving testimony serving the interests of the group of companies Johnson represents &#8211; as it has every right to be and couldn&#8217;t really be otherwise! From an economic and social welfare point of view an invitation to take a middle road is, potentially, an invitation to settle for a false compromise anyway. </p>
<p>Far more interesting to me than anything covered in Johnson&#8217;s testimony are the questions you have raised. What exactly is meant by patent quality? Are there really only too many &#8216;bad&#8217; software patents? More fundamentally: is patent eligibility for software inventions economically justifiable at all? Would we be better off if IBM had failed to preempt the patenting of the FFT?</p>
<p>Personally,  I take an opposite position to yours and have a very serious problem indeed with patenting software. In fact it&#8217;s the ones often used as exemplars of &#8216;good&#8217; software patents (DHT, RSA&#8230;) which originally motivated me to look for solid theoretical and empirical economic justification for them. (If I&#8217;d found some &#8211; instead of mostly the opposite! &#8211; I&#8217;d certainly concede the desirability of including software in patent eligible subject matter, but not that there can ever be no problem  with doing so &#8211; it is intrinsic to the nature of the patent system that there will be problems).</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Prentice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Prentice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 14:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PL Hayes - if you get a chance please take a look at the testimony by Phillip Johnson (the link above will get you there). It&#039;s an example of finding a middle road between a special interest and a social interest.

Let&#039;s try and hold people testifying to Congress to a higher standard!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PL Hayes &#8211; if you get a chance please take a look at the testimony by Phillip Johnson (the link above will get you there). It&#8217;s an example of finding a middle road between a special interest and a social interest.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s try and hold people testifying to Congress to a higher standard!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Prentice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Prentice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 13:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bishop - software is patentable material! Perhaps you meant to say &quot;...should not be patentable material.&quot;

Personally I have no problem with patenting software. My problem is the number of poor software patents which get granted. Let&#039;s address that issue first - then we&#039;re in a better position to debate the merits of software, business method and design patents.

Thanks for you comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bishop &#8211; software is patentable material! Perhaps you meant to say &#8220;&#8230;should not be patentable material.&#8221;</p>
<p>Personally I have no problem with patenting software. My problem is the number of poor software patents which get granted. Let&#8217;s address that issue first &#8211; then we&#8217;re in a better position to debate the merits of software, business method and design patents.</p>
<p>Thanks for you comments.</p>
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		<title>By: PL Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>PL Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 11:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I have come to conclusion that the vast majority of the IT industry can not see past their own narrow commercial self-interest when it comes to patents.”

So it goes...

“That experts in the chemical, electronic, and other industries testify that their firms could not maintain their research laboratories without patent protection may persuade some, but probably should be discounted as self-serving testimony.” –Fritz Machlup, An Economic Review of the Patent System.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I have come to conclusion that the vast majority of the IT industry can not see past their own narrow commercial self-interest when it comes to patents.”</p>
<p>So it goes&#8230;</p>
<p>“That experts in the chemical, electronic, and other industries testify that their firms could not maintain their research laboratories without patent protection may persuade some, but probably should be discounted as self-serving testimony.” –Fritz Machlup, An Economic Review of the Patent System.</p>
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		<dc:creator>floschi's status on Friday, 08-May-09 10:51:50 UTC - Identi.ca</dc:creator>
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